MENenism Vs FEMenism – Fucking Hell

http://youtu.be/9DxsY2391jM

A few days ago I wrote an entry in which I had stated that I hoped it would be the last of this year in which I would write about the F word, aka feminism. Apparently not. Will this be the last? We will see.

In this video we have the folks talking about the two terms. The “MENenist” term I had heard before, as a twitter account that was a satire of the radical feminist movement. But now it has apparently grown into a bit of a counter protest to what can be best called “First World” feminism.
For example, why is it that many clubs only lift the cover charge of females? Why is it ok to objectify males in films such as Magic Mike, but apparently not ok to women in similar positions (or just in general)?

This is not to deny that disparities exist. But like I noted before, these are first world problems. If the struggle for gender equality over the years can be seen as removing a mountain, then these issues are but the pebbles on the ground surface.

The necessity for a group known as feminism was undeniable previous to today. The concentrated group effort was required to move women’s place in society from mere chattel, to actual persons (with all the rights that are granted).

At this point, its safe to say that women are on par with males, rights wise. No one is denying that you have the right to vote for example (something that can not be said for other minorities, particularly racial groups).
There is still work to be done, I don’t deny that. Some obvious gender disparities remain for those on both sides of the gender divide, and we have to work on those.

But a this point, these problems can not be tackled from a gender based group point of view (IE Feminist, menenist, MRA etc.). These are problems for which the gender divide only serves as a barrier.

Think of it this way.

Women do not have the right to walk down the street unafraid of the rapist hiding in the corner. Men do not have the right to opt out of alimony payments if they do not consent to be a parent.
BOTH have the right to not walk around in fear, and both should have the right to forfeit responsibility of children should they choose.
Pretty much the entirety of all this feminist/menenist/MRA bullshit can be distilled down to “Is this fair? NO!”.

Stop viewing the situation from a segregated point of view, and instead see it from a flatly equalist (even humanist) point of view.

The problems become instantly clearer (as do the solutions).

3 thoughts on “MENenism Vs FEMenism – Fucking Hell

  1. While the general premise is sound, much of this post is a silly rehashing of conventional “thinking” in popular culture. I use the scare quotes around “thinking” because it isn’t actually thinking at all.

    As an example, minorities very much do have the right to vote in America the same as anyone else. They may not exercise that right with the same diligence as other groups, but that’s on them. there is no law written or otherwise which prevents them from exercising their right.

    Also,no one has “a right” to not be afraid – of a rapist or anything else. The idea that a right can empower someone to be free from fear of anything has absolutely no logical basis whatsoever. In a free society, your fear is your problem. If you want to be free from fear of something, do something about it. Otherwise we end up with pernicious ideas being encoded into law. If for example I’m afraid that a woman with a red shirt is going to stab me, can we make it illegal to make red shirts or for women to wear them? Can we make it illegal to carry a knife if you’re a woman and are wearing a red shirt? That’s hyperbole, but it’s grounded in the same “thinking” as women being free from fear of a rapist.

    Modern Feminism has destroyed the lives of American women by encouraging them to act like men. In the process it ignores the basic genetic differences between men and women with regard to mating. Women now want to ‘sow their wild oat’s’ until 35 or so. But by 35 their ability to have children is meaningfully diminished by biology. By 45 it’s all but eliminated. Women can act anyway they like, but men can as well. And men’s reaction to women’s behavior under third wave feminism is that they are refusing to get married anymore. So by age 45, after an abortion or two in their youth, women are much more often childless, alone, and without prospects for a happy and fulfilled future. New York City (where I live) is filled to the brim with these bitter unhappy and lonely women.

    It’s great you’re struggling to ‘think’ about these issues. but if you are going to have anything meaningful to say, you’re going to have to learn what the words mean first. A ‘right’ is not a catchall word describing ‘things we want’, or ‘things that would be good’. And individual freedom is worth far more than modern feminism says.

    Like

    1. // As an example, minorities very much do have the right to vote in America the same as anyone else. They may not exercise that right with the same diligence as other groups, but that’s on them. there is no law written or otherwise which prevents them from exercising their right. //

      There are many hindered by things like felony charges and voter identification requirments. Than there is the whole long term tax paying illegal alien situation.

      As with many things, its not as clearcut as “In America, EVERYONE can vote! If not, its on you!”.

      // Also,no one has “a right” to not be afraid – of a rapist or anything else. The idea that a right can empower someone to be free from fear of anything has absolutely no logical basis whatsoever. In a free society, your fear is your problem. If you want to be free from fear of something, do something about it. //

      Maybe “Right” is the wrong word. But none the less, no one should have to walk around in fear due to who they are. While many 3ed and 4th wavers often bring this WAY to far, I will not deny that its an act at least rooted out of a realistic reality.

      As for the rest of your words . . . okay.

      Am I correct to interpret it as a criticsm of modern femenism due to the fact that it often leads women to end up old and bitter? Because they spend their prime matibg period living life (as opposed to having a kid)?

      Like

  2. I energetically disagree. Felony charges are not applied to minority groups, they are applied to individuals who commit felonies. If you have an issue with more minorities being convicted of felonies than other groups, that’s seems to me to be a separate discussion (where ‘thinking’ like yours is on equally thin ice). Voter registration requirements are also not applied only to minority groups, they are applied to everyone. So it quite literally is a just a question of it being on the individual. Individual actions have individual consequences. That’s not racist, that’s equality under the law. So long as people are allowed to behave differently, you cannot base a law on achieving equal outcomes, only on providing equal opportunity.

    As for long term tax paying illegal alien situation, are you saying that we should base someone’s suitability to vote on whether they pay taxes or not? If so, there are multi-generational families of American citizens who haven’t had a positive tax burden in decades – can we take their right to vote away? Under the law, voting is restricted to citizens. If you want to vote, then become a legal citizen, it’s not like it’s all that difficult.

    As for someone being afraid, in a free society how you feel is on you. We can pass a law against murder, we can even pass a law against threatening to commit murder, but we cannot pass a law against making someone afraid of murder. It’s the objectively verifiable threat that’s illegal, and has nothing to do with whether or not it inspires fear. To do otherwise is to make fearfulness and ‘being a victim’ the ultimate moral and legal authority in our society, and that incentive will result in the greatly accelerating the end of our society.

    It’s not my (or anyone else’s) responsibility to ensure that you are not afraid, except you. This is the only way a civilized society can be structured. There are rational fears and irrational fears, and when crafting a public policy there is absolutely no way to tell the difference. Laws cannot be based on subjective experience without the law leading to tyranny. The last time I can remember a society actually trying this was when Germany tried to make it illegal to be a ‘Jew lover’ during the Wannsee conference in 1941. How do you prove it, or for that matter disprove it? The law becomes about speculation, conjecture, and the ability to read people’s minds. There is no basis in law or evidence for any of this. So precisely how ‘unfree’ are you prepared to make a society in order to accommodate people’s feelings, rational or otherwise?

    In the rest of my comment I was pointing out that biology trumps politics. Women ‘cannot’ act like men without paying a higher cost for their behavior than men do. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact of biology. Feminism tried to convince women otherwise, and to the degree that they’ve been successful, the cost of that delusion is many deeply unhappy and utterly lonely women.

    You’re obviously very young, and haven’t thought or read about this very much, but I can assure you, having children is far more about ‘living life’ than all the Friday night raves and trips to Cancun ever will be. It’s committing yourself to something bigger than yourself, and not just squandering your youth on indulging your ego. It’s an act which applies meaning to your life, and leaves behind something more than a bunch of selfies and a credit card bill. I couldn’t recommend it more strongly.

    But here’s the big issue, and why I bothered to comment at all. Women are (on average) smaller, weaker, and therefore much more conditioned to conflict avoidance, than men. This idea of ‘fear’ driven law, is a creation of feminism. And to buy into it’s morality is to buy into a feminine directed moral imperative. This is a terrible idea for a man, and in the end will lead to the women in your life losing respect for you and treating you like dirt. Most people crave strong leadership, but that craving is stronger in women than in men. And to give it to them, you sometimes have to tell them things they say that they don’t want to hear.

    I strongly suggest you read Rollo Tomassi’s book “The Rational Male.” You’re thinking and arguing exactly like a woman, and that book will explain to you how and why. Right now western society needs all the actual ‘men’ it can get, and they are in terrifyingly short supply.

    Like

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out /  Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out /  Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out /  Change )

Connecting to %s

This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Learn how your comment data is processed.